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incident that doesn't involve aliens at

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it comes right over our heads he saw a

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classic flying saucer really standing in

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the clearing he turned over to my father

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hello this is martin willis your host

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and we're not actually coming at you

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live i'm going to talk about

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that a little bit more later first of

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all i've gotten a bunch of emails um

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over the last year or so people

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wondering

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what the clips were in the intro that i

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where they came from so i'm going to

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little trivia here

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a large uh triangle flying over her when

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uh the second one is seth shostak from

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ufo sweden and he was talking about a

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live and this

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show is not with whitley strieber there

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on supernovas and after that

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so right now get ready it's uh andy

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on supernovas and hello martin and

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listeners now one of the astronomical

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its entire life span several large stars

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in 1926. now several

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of new stars thus lighting up

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the future cosmos as always thank you so

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much andy and coming up right now we

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maine close encounters from the pine

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now what inspired you to actually write

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the book

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and we're going to talk about that in

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particular

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because i i really enjoyed reading some

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of these cases some of them i

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knew about some i never heard about but

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what made you write

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start to write the book well um

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i guess that goes all the way back to

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that first encounter i had as a child

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i've been interested in all things

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paranormal

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as a child and that

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stayed with me through my teenage years

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and through my you know my

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my twenties and now you know i'm getting

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close to 40

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and it's still a passion and a

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fascination

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and but why i wrote this book in

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particular is

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i have a pretty big library of main

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books on the paranormal

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and there's one in particular that's

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great the supernatural side of maine by

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cj stevens great book

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but again you know so i have a huge

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library of maine books on the paranormal

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and there was not one book

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still not you know besides this one um

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that dealt with solely ufos there were

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stories with

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ufos in them but not a book dedicated to

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it

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and i really wanted to take on the

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challenge of

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of trying to present a book solely

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dedicated to it

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and how so how long did that take you to

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do the research on

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well i'd say about two and a half three

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years

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and let's talk about some of the uh some

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of the cases of course um

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you and i have been talking um on

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facebook

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for i don't know perhaps uh six months

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or so

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and sure so i'm sure you probably

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listened to the allagash

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show that i did which is great that

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that those uh those guys are very

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believable and that whole story

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uh i agree you know we don't the book is

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compelling

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yes yes so that is um

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you know it's kind of tough to get

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involved in some of the abduction cases

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but uh that is right up there in my

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opinion with travis walton

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and um um you know one of the most

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credible

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and and betty and barney hill one of the

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most credible um

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type of abduction cases very very

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fascinating and you know

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um one of the things that i didn't cover

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in the interview and you can't really

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cover in a

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a chapter in a book is uh there's some

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ongoing things with these guys i've

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talked to them personally

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you know there's some strange ongoing

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things that keep happening

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to them all yeah yeah it's really

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amazing yeah

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it's uh yeah and like use i think you

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put it perfectly it's it's tough to

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capture it

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in uh in a book or in an interview um

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because it's so vast you know

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this has been a lifetime effect

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on these poor gentlemen you know and

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really has

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yeah and i completely agree that it's

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right up there with travis walton you

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know whitney striver

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betty marty hill i believe it's right up

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there right right

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and so uh what in in your opinion

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do you think that's one of the top cases

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in maine or what you want to talk

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or about what some of your favorite

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cases were that you worked on

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yeah absolutely um that is uh you know

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right up there that's probably

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the one that uh you know that i've known

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about

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you know the longest time maybe the most

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famous one if you will

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um you know it's almost to the point

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where it was

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i was kind of obsessed with it for a

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while

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great compelling story um but i think

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some of the other great ones are the ufo

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over starks

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that was first written about in uh

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yankee magazine i believe that's the

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name of it

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and um and i think that's a very um

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compelling story especially

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once it gets involved with um you know

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the sheriff over there

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and also the accident that occurred that

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same night in that same area

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and um the poor woman was wearing

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sunglasses you know in the middle of the

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night

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you know alluding to the fact that

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something very bright

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was out and she actually wore

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prescription sunglass

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prescription glasses but you know felt

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the need to put on sunglasses in the

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middle of the night

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i know i read i read your entire book i

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loved it

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but that was quite some time ago about

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four or five months ago so why don't you

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if you would go over that case

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absolutely so this is a

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a ufo that was uh reported over starks

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back in

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1981 and the whole

422
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incident started with a gentleman named

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keno's henry

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and uh and he was over starks

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a few times but this time was a little

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bit different

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uh when he saw the ufo uh at this point

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um it was red and it was pretty high in

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the sky

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and then it got very very low and uh he

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swears to this day that

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it fired lasers down at the ground at

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him

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and his dog i know it's a little tough

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to believe but uh

436
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you know when it comes from from mainers

437
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you know it kind of

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makes you listen a little bit you know

439
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we're hard-working honest people you

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know

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and and very um and really don't want to

442
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draw much attention

443
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usually yeah yeah yeah that's yeah i

444
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completely agree

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um so uh you know this encounter

446
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um ended up lasting you know most of the

447
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night where kinos uh

448
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scared and decided to hunker down with

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some friends

450
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um and reported to them that there was a

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ufo

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outside firing lasers at him and so of

453
00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:05,759
course that sounds crazy and they didn't

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00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:06,480
believe him

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so they all go outside and they do see

456
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you know a

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a light in the sky it's pretty high up

458
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kind of star sized and so they were they

459
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were thinking that he was being a little

460
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uh you know a little ridiculous but uh

461
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as they uh they decided to get in their

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car and and uh

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drive you know towards where they could

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see the light

465
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it became lower and it became lower and

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it kind of swooped at them

467
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and uh while this is happening there's a

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sheriff that's driving um towards where

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00:16:40,310 --> 00:16:37,600
the kids are

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his name's bud and uh he lives in

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madison maine

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so this you know he's not from starks

473
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but he lives in madison and he was uh

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driving over towards starks to get some

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dinner with his wife and um and he came

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upon the kids

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uh who were staring at the light and he

478
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stopped and talked to them and

479
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and they said you know there's a ufo

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over there don't go over there you know

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it's it's trying to attack us and you

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00:17:02,949 --> 00:17:00,800
know he thought

483
00:17:04,150 --> 00:17:02,959
were being a little rambunctious but he

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saw that they all seemed

485
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fairly serious you know and told them to

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be safe and and get home for the night

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so

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uh bud and his wife continued on to

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starks

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and they themselves actually saw the ufo

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and again to them it appeared star size

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at at that time

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and then it actually swooped in on them

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and it got lower and then it got right

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over a field

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right next to them and uh you know bud

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being a sheriff um you know not much

498
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really shakes him but

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this made him nervous and he ended up

500
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turning around and going a completely

501
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different way just to get the starks

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and and then later that night

503
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it was reported that a woman was driving

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on that same road

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in starks and um she was in

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a car accident and died on the scene and

507
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um it was reported that um you know some

508
00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:02,240
broken sunglasses were found

509
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on the ground near her car and it had

510
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some blood on it

511
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and from what i hear she had some

512
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contusions

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close to her temple which suggested that

514
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she was wearing sunglasses

515
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and also going at a high rate of speed

516
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and there were no

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break marks at all before she went

518
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off the road and into the woods also

519
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suggesting that

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maybe it was very bright and she could

521
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not see where the road

522
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turned and uh and went off the road so

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this one

524
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could kind of lead you to the to the

525
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conclusion that she was trying to

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get the heck away from whatever it was

527
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as fast as she could and it was

528
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really bright i mean there's no real

529
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evidence but there's some evidence that

530
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would uh

531
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tend to make you believe that could be

532
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possible

533
00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:53,520
sure i mean it's definitely

534
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circumstantial but

535
00:18:58,549 --> 00:18:57,280
when you add all the pieces together uh

536
00:19:00,630 --> 00:18:58,559
keynotes and and what

537
00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:00,640
he and all of his friends saw and then a

538
00:19:04,630 --> 00:19:02,400
sheriff and his wife

539
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:04,640
um you know who who were interviewed by

540
00:19:09,029 --> 00:19:06,960
you know uh some new york papers about

541
00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:09,039
about the incident uh and then this poor

542
00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:10,080
woman who uh

543
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:11,679
who died that night as well when you add

544
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:13,200
them all together it's a very compelling

545
00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:13,760
story

546
00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:16,000
right right now um do you know

547
00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:17,440
approximately what time

548
00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:20,000
of the evening did these line up in any

549
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:22,080
type of way

550
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:24,799
uh they lined up between uh kinos and

551
00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:26,400
the sheriff it lined up

552
00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:29,039
um very consistently but the woman was

553
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:31,039
much much later in the evening

554
00:19:37,830 --> 00:19:35,280
uh i believe towards 11 to midnight

555
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:37,840
so it occurred much later yeah yeah but

556
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:39,039
again who knows

557
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:41,919
and there was another case or at least

558
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:44,000
one other case with police witness

559
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:46,799
i know uh people that are skeptic uh you

560
00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:47,120
know

561
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:51,520
observers than anyone else but

562
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:53,919
uh the one thing that police have on

563
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:54,799
their side is

564
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:56,960
uh you know they're they're looking to

565
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:58,000
protect in their

566
00:20:01,830 --> 00:20:00,799
their um they're someone who you the

567
00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:01,840
public generally look

568
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:04,720
looks up to as far as upholding the law

569
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:06,559
and someone that you wouldn't expect to

570
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:10,720
make things up so much yeah yeah

571
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:12,400
i completely agree and and one in

572
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:14,000
particular that comes to mind um

573
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:15,440
where it's not technically a police

574
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:17,200
officer but it's a formal knee

575
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,320
evil intelligence technician his name is

576
00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:22,320
brad luker and he reported some very

577
00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:24,640
interesting lights in 2006 over industry

578
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:25,600
maine

579
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:28,799
and um and he is not one that

580
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:30,960
believes in the paranormal even after

581
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:33,200
what he saw he just still can't believe

582
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:33,600
that

583
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:36,400
it would really be you know some sort of

584
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:36,880
different

585
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:40,320
another planet he still thinks that it

586
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:40,720
may

587
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:42,720
be military but he has no idea what to

588
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:44,799
make of it but he saw these lights

589
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:48,240
um float right over him um

590
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:50,400
probably you know 300 feet in the air

591
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:52,480
right over him you know the size of uh

592
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:55,360
you know a half a football field and he

593
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,799
had no idea what to make of it and

594
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,320
another woman

595
00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:00,240
or another person who was on the same

596
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:02,000
road that night stopped where he was

597
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:05,200
and also saw the lights and um but he

598
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:08,080
stood there and stared at them and

599
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:10,400
and he still you know he doesn't know

600
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:11,600
what to make of him but he just can't

601
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:13,200
believe that it might be

602
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:16,400
you know extraterrestrial you know i

603
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:19,440
i had someone i live in maine south of

604
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:19,919
you

605
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:22,799
but i had someone contact me from the

606
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:23,760
portland area

607
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:25,760
recently that told me there's all kinds

608
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:27,440
of stuff happening in maine

609
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:30,799
all the time and i i i said this um

610
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:32,880
a while back in the podcast that richard

611
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:34,240
dolan was up

612
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:37,039
was in exeter new hampshire and was

613
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:38,000
asking

614
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:39,679
you know for the show of hands and there

615
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:42,400
was about i'd say about 200 people in

616
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:43,280
the audience

617
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:45,919
it was pretty full he asked them how

618
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:46,799
many people

619
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,679
saw what they believed was a a possible

620
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,679
ufo

621
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:53,600
at some point in their life and the show

622
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:55,280
of hands were let's just say

623
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:57,200
a hundred people and then when he asked

624
00:22:02,149 --> 00:21:59,600
how many people reported it

625
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:02,159
what they saw um there was only about

626
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:03,679
seven hands left

627
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:06,799
and so i i think that's uh that's

628
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:08,559
kind of across the board everywhere and

629
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:09,919
if you think there's you know

630
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:10,960
approximately thirty

631
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:14,640
000 sightings reported a year worldwide

632
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:16,720
if you do the math that's a lot of

633
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,039
people are seeing a lot of things

634
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:20,880
and uh the state of maine is absolutely

635
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,200
no exception to that

636
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:25,200
it's a big state yeah yeah and i

637
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:26,400
completely agree i'm glad you brought

638
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,679
that point up um

639
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:29,679
i talked with and worked with peter

640
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:31,679
davenport from new fork

641
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:33,600
on some of the cases in this book and

642
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:36,799
he's a a really great fellow to talk to

643
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:40,320
and we we both expressed our concern

644
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:43,679
over um the amount of reports uh or the

645
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,600
the amount of sightings that go

646
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:47,600
unreported um like you were saying you

647
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:49,120
just you do the math and

648
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,400
you know out of a hundred people that

649
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:52,159
saw something seven report it you know

650
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:53,600
it's it's uh

651
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:56,080
it's too bad and and you know this field

652
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:57,840
you know relies heavily on

653
00:23:01,270 --> 00:23:00,000
eyewitness you know testimony and you

654
00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:01,280
know move on you know

655
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:03,280
it's just not something that people

656
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:04,640
think to do um

657
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:06,159
when they see something that that's

658
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:08,080
strange you know and it would be very

659
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:08,960
interesting to

660
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,679
to see the true account of how many

661
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:13,600
things people are really seeing you know

662
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:16,080
right well you know i think a lot of

663
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:16,960
people don't know

664
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:19,600
how to report it i know that uh that was

665
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:22,000
certainly the case with myself

666
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:25,039
and uh you know years ago i just it

667
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:26,640
never occurred to me how to report

668
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:28,159
something like that

669
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:31,280
sure and so quickly can you just um go

670
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,159
through

671
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:34,640
the the the chapters in the in the book

672
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:35,600
in the different

673
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:37,600
different sightings for uh the listener

674
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,960
out there okay

675
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:40,480
so the book is actually broken up into

676
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:42,400
some sections there's uh abductions and

677
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:43,360
men in black

678
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:46,480
and four um abductions uh and men in

679
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:47,600
black we have the

680
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:50,799
david stephens case we have the the the

681
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:51,360
case

682
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:53,679
from the doctor out of out of old

683
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:54,720
orchard beach

684
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,840
which i actually found some new

685
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:57,600
information on recently that i'm going

686
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:58,720
to send over to you

687
00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:00,080
you want to just throw that out there

688
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,400
right now so herbert hopkins

689
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:04,480
was a general practitioner out of old

690
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:06,080
orchard beach and he had a men in black

691
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:07,120
experience

692
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:08,960
um where he claimed you know man in

693
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,320
black came to his house he was working

694
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:12,559
on a david stevens case from a gentleman

695
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:13,840
out of norway

696
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,880
and he was warned not to work on the

697
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,480
case anymore the gentleman

698
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:20,640
uh who came to his house looked very odd

699
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:22,799
act very odd and threatened him

700
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:25,919
to stop working on the case well uh

701
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:29,600
in 2008 his nephew herbert hopkins

702
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:30,240
nephew

703
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:32,960
posted a blog about this story that has

704
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:33,440
become

705
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,279
folklore you know in maine uh ufology

706
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,600
um and even involved shirley thickett at

707
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:41,039
one point who was a

708
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:43,600
noted me an author uh or you know a

709
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:45,520
noted main ufo researcher

710
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:49,679
and and his nephew reports that

711
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:52,159
the as herbert hopkins got older he was

712
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:53,039
an alcoholic

713
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:56,960
and liked to tell ridiculous stories

714
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:01,120
and like to write science fiction

715
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:03,520
and he is convinced that this is a work

716
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:04,880
of fiction and that none of this

717
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:05,600
occurred

718
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:06,960
and i'd like to send that information

719
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,200
over to you at some point martin

720
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:11,919
sure absolutely and just uh quickly if

721
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:12,559
you can for

722
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:14,799
the the rest of the book uh for the

723
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:16,480
listener out there

724
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,799
sure um there's great encounters so of

725
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:20,400
course we've got the starks encounter

726
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:23,840
um there's a lawyer out of somebody

727
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:26,159
who owns a uh you know a little tiny

728
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,600
pond hopper plane

729
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:30,000
and he and a buddy were flying it and

730
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:31,200
they saw ufo

731
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:34,240
over the blue hill area there was a ufo

732
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:36,159
reported by some boy scouts back in the

733
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:37,120
50s

734
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,320
close to millinocket franklin has had

735
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,000
some some lights reported over their

736
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,159
town uh north whitfield

737
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:46,240
has reported some uh some sightings

738
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,200
bangor has

739
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:49,120
lots of sightings reported one in

740
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,799
particular back in the 60s

741
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:52,640
it's even reported that a gentleman

742
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:54,080
fired his gun

743
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:57,360
at the ufo uh very interesting story um

744
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:57,840
there's an

745
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:01,039
incident of a potential uso and uh you

746
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:02,559
know an unidentified submerged

747
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:05,840
object uh out of uh out of bucksport

748
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:06,559
maine

749
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:09,360
um and the reason it's uh being thought

750
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:09,760
of as

751
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,840
as uso is that these people reported

752
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:13,360
that it appeared muddy

753
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,520
and wet on the bottom of the craft and

754
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,279
that there was actually kelp

755
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:19,200
hanging off the bottom of it so pretty

756
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:20,640
interesting there

757
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:23,200
um there's some compelling uh video of a

758
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:24,559
ufo in newport

759
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,600
that i write about in the book and

760
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,120
one of the more interesting ones i

761
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,880
thought was about crop circles being

762
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:32,400
reported in gardiner

763
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:36,240
i actually went down there in in 2010

764
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:39,679
and to check out the area um it happened

765
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:40,159
it

766
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:43,039
was reported in 2004. uh i went down

767
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,520
there

768
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,600
in 2010 and i don't know if it's the

769
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:47,520
power of suggestion but the field that

770
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:49,120
it was reported you can still see some

771
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:50,720
outlines of

772
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:53,039
of where the crop is not growing as well

773
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,559
in that area so that's definitely

774
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,159
something you can check out

775
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:58,480
and then there's a very very odd case of

776
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:59,200
a woman

777
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:01,600
out of old orchard beach named wendy c

778
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:02,559
allen

779
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:05,279
she claims uh to still to this day be

780
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,240
friends with an

781
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:08,400
amphibian fairy uh that's an

782
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:09,919
extraterrestrial that's uh

783
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:13,120
probably 300 years old and uh

784
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:15,440
and he communicates with her and he sees

785
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:17,919
her in the forest of old orchard beach

786
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:20,399
and she says that he arrived on a ufo

787
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:22,080
and unless she communicates with

788
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:23,840
aliens regularly and that's just some of

789
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:25,120
the stories that are in here

790
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:27,679
wow that's uh that's a kind of a bizarre

791
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:28,159
one

792
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,320
hey well thanks so much now where can

793
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,640
someone get your book amazon

794
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:35,039
yeah you can get it on amazon you can go

795
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,399
into barnes and noble

796
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,240
if you're local to maine you can go into

797
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:40,240
any bull moose in maine and and pick up

798
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:41,279
the book

799
00:27:47,909 --> 00:27:44,720
and noble between

800
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:47,919
maine and new hampshire and and for your

801
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:49,520
listeners that are outside of

802
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:51,039
new england you can get it at barnes

803
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,240
noble.com bam.com

804
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:56,880
amazon.com and anywhere books are sold

805
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,279
great

806
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:59,200
right well thanks so much for being our

807
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:01,279
guest today

808
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:02,480
martin thank you so much it was a

809
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:04,480
pleasure to speak with you

810
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,279
so that's it for today's show and we

811
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:09,279
will be back next week a couple people

812
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:10,080
to thank

813
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:12,159
keith roland as always for dark matter

814
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:13,279
radio network

815
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:16,399
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816
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,080
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817
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:20,320
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818
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:21,440
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819
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,360
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820
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,279
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821
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,279
i want to give michael lauc a great big

822
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:28,799
thank you for helping out

823
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,799
in my absence with his interview with

824
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:32,080
stanton friedman

825
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:34,960
really enjoyed that we'll be back next

826
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:35,360
week

827
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:39,039
live with alejandro rojas and

828
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:42,480
our guest unsure so keep your eyes to